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#3739: Mutiny in the Ranks

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LEX LUTHOR, TALA, DEVIL RAY, DR POLARIS, GENTLEMAN GHOST, & PSYCHO PIRATE

JUSTICE LEAGUE UNLIMITED (MATTEL)

Hey, ho, it’s off to more JLU reviews I go!  And, you guys didn’t have to even wait all that long for another one this time around.  Wasn’t that so very nice of me?  Heck, I’m gonna go the extra mile, and just review a whole pile of them all at once.  I mean, for a reason; I’m not just arbitrarily reviewing a bunch of them.  They’re, like, a set.  But what set?  I’ll tell you, but first, a bit of a side track!  I just finished a watch through of Justice League and Justice League Unlimited with my son Matty, which was a fun trek through memory lane.  The run notably has three effective finales, two of which were followed by there being more show.  “Starcrossed” leads into the Unlimited revamp, of course, which builds up to the finale of the Cadmus arc, a rather grounded and quite series look into the League, its enemies, and who gets caught in the crossfire.  How do you top that?  Well, you don’t even try, honestly.  Instead, the show revamped into something more akin to Challenge of the Super Friends for its final season (albeit still being more serious and thought out than anything Super Friends ever tackled), giving the expanded League roster a Legion of Doom to face off against.  The toyline ran with this as justification for doing more villains, who had been a rarity for most of the line’s run.

THE FIGURE ITSELF

The “Mutiny in the Ranks” set was released as part of Mattel’s larger Justice League Unlimited line in the fall of 2009.  The pack was after the switch to the DC Universe banner, in the orange style packaging, and was part of the fourth wave of product in this packaging style.  There was a corresponding pack of heroes released at the same time, with both sets being based on the show’s final season.  All six figures included are exclusive to this set, which was quite rare for one of these bigger sets.

LEX LUTHOR

Luthor figures prominently into most of JLU, and is the central figure in the Legion of Doom storyline on the show, so he’s kind of a lock for this set, and also the real heavy hitter of the bunch.  He was no stranger to the line, being the first villain Mattel introduced into the animated style, and getting a few variants along the way.  This one…well, this one’s a bit odd.  I guess he’s meant to be based on the recolored version of Luthor’s tactical gear seen in the show’s final season, but there’s definitely been some *choices* made in the interpretation of that design.  I’ll get to that.  The figure is about 4 1/2 inches tall and he has 5 points of articulation.  His sculpt is the same as the standard line release of the “Injustice For All” Luthor, so he’s the medium GL-based body, with a new head, harness, and legs with boots.  It’s not one of the line’s finer offerings.  The head’s a bit large, and just too bulbous for Luthor on the show.  His expression is also just too classically evil looking, and lacks the suave nature of the DCAU Luthor.  The harness is fine enough, though, and the booted legs do at least remove the odd uneven leg problem of the medium base mold.  The paint work is sort of there, I guess.  Like, the general colors are okay for the show design, but the layout doesn’t match at all, and ends up looking downright goofy.

TALA

Tala is a rather minor character in the comics, who initially appeared as part of Cadmus on the show, seemingly to just fill in the roster for table shots.  In the final season, she got an upgrade to full villain for unrevealed reasons in show, but in the real world seemed to be kept on because the producers liked Juliet Landau’s performance in the role.  No complaints from me on that.  The figure uses the standard female base body, which certainly has its issues.  Notably, it does feel a little short for Tala, who always appeared to be a bit on the taller side in the show.  Also, she was always barefoot, which the base is not, so it means she’s got shoes for whatever reason.  She does get a new head and skirt at least.  The head’s alright.  It’s a little too wide at the jaw, but there were certainly worse offerings in the line.  The skirt has the benefit of hiding her legs, which is a good thing when it comes to this mold.  Paint is minimal and basic.  There’s some definite slop on the edges, but it generally does what it’s supposed to.  She’s the only figure in the set to get an accessory, as she gets a display stand.

DEVIL RAY

With the Aquaman-centered Mercy Reef pilot floating around, JLU‘s final season was unable to use any Aqua-related characters, because of Warner Brothers’ rather reductive embargo set-up.  As such, the character intended to be Black Manta became “Devil Ray”, who is…well, he’s Black Manta with a different name.  Even his design works perfectly fine as an update to Manta.  Not being Manta, though, the writers didn’t need to get approval on what they did with him, so he’s a notable casualty within the show, which does up the ante a bit.  Devil Ray uses the medium male body again, with a new head and harness.  The new parts are quite nice, with the head in particular being a strong match for his show design.  He’s a little tricky to keep standing, but by this point in the line, all of the molds, especially the medium male, were degrading a bit, so weak ankles weren’t uncommon.  He relies on paint for a lot of his details, and it generally works, but the guns on his wrists do look a little silly just being flat painted on details.

DR POLARIS

Dr. Polaris continued the trend started by Star Sapphire of being a GL villain on the show who never got any real connection to GL or even any notable interactions.  He does get some decent focus after Luthor kicks Grodd out of the Legion, so good for him.  The show used the character’s original design, which is pretty goofy, but I suppose fits the tone alright.  The figure uses the medium base body, with a new head and overlay for the torso piece.  The head feels a little small, but it’s a solid, sharp sculpt that’s accurate to the show model.  The chest overlay is rather bulky and winds up making the whole figure look a little overstuffed.  There’s a weird mold error on mine that makes it look like one of his legs has snapped in half and been reglued, but beyond that, the color work is decent enough.

GENTLEMAN GHOST

Gentleman Ghost’s most notable turn on the show’s not actually with the Legion of Doom, and is instead in one of the Hawkman episodes.  However, by facing off against one of his actual foes, he does somewhat get a leg up on Dr. Polaris, so good for him.  He’s got a rather unique design, and this might have been his first figure?  I know the DCUC version came out right around the same time, so it’s a bit of a toss-up.  Still, pretty cool.  The figure uses a modified version of the two suited bodies, with a new cape piece that also had his hat and monocle mounted to the collar.  It’s not an exact science, and is only convincing from certain angles, but it’s about the best you’re going to get for ways to sell the “floating hat” look he had in the comics.  He’s got very minor paint work, since he’s largely just molded in white, but the light grey accenting’s pretty nice.

PSYCHO PIRATE

Psycho Pirate doesn’t get any focus on the show, serving just as background filler.  It does seem slightly odd for a character who’s had some very pivotal moments in the comics, but I suppose Crisis was a bit much for the show to handle.  I mean, they dedicated those three whole movies to it, and look how that turned out.  Or don’t.  Actually don’t, you guys.  It’s six hours you won’t get back.  Anyway, this guy uses the medium male body for the fourth time in this six figure set.  It seems rather bulky for Psycho Pirate, if I’m honest.  That said, it seems like parts re-use is really selling him, because he’s got Red Tornado’s cape, which they couldn’t do if he were on a different body.  He gets a new head, which is alright.  It’s got an odd shape, though, and seems too large, presumably to offset the size of the body.  It’s a shame there’s no medusa mask, but he never had it on the show, so that’s not really on Mattel.  The paint work is at least pretty nice, though.

THE ME HALF OF THE EQUATION

I bought this set and the corresponding Heroes set at the same time, when they were still rather new.  I want to say they were on clearance post-2009 holidays, and I had some gift cards to spend.  Honestly, I was more invested in the heroes set at the time, and I don’t know that’s changed much in the years since.  It’s not all bad mind you.  While Luthor’s a definite weak point, the Devil Ray figure is quite cool, as is Gentleman Ghost.  And the others are decent middle of the road figures.  The set’s not super focused beyond “villains”, but that’s also not terrible focus.

#2973: Battle for Metropolis

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SUPERMAN, LOIS LANE, BRAINIAC, & LEX LUTHOR

SUPERMAN: THE ANIMATED SERIES (HASBRO)

“It’s a never-ending battle of power and wits for Superman and his arch enemies in Metropolis, but this time, star reporter Lois Lane has the scoop!”

After the bulk of the product for the animated incarnations of Batman and Superman had run its course at retail, and shortly after officially shuttering Kenner and moving the DC license under their own name, Hasbro filled in their DC offerings with a lot of re-decos and repacks of stuff Kenner had done in the ‘90s. It helped to get a lot of figures back out there, but also helped to establish right from the start just how much Hasbro intended to phone things in with the license.  While Batman was clearly getting the main focus, there were never the less a few Superman sets, one of which I’m taking a look at today.

THE FIGURES THEMSELVES

Superman, Lois Lane, Brainiac, and Lex Luther were released in 2001 as part of the Superman: The Animated Series line, in a set titled “Battle For Metropolis.”  Like many of the sets, it was three repacks and one new offering.

SUPERMAN

“Kal-El, infant son of Jor-El and Lara of the doomed planet Krypton, was rocketed to Earth when Krypton was obliterated in a cataclysmic explosion.  The baby was found by Jonathan and Martha Kent, who named him Clark and raised him as their own.  As he grew, Clark discovered he possessed powers and abilities far beyond those of ordinary people…powers he decided to use for the benefit of humanity as Superman.”

It’s hard to do a Superman set without Superman, so here was the requisite Superman.  Have I said Superman enough?  Yeah?  So, this Superman was a straight reissue of Strong Arm Superman, from Series 4 of the main line.  At this point, Series 4 was still awaiting its proper US release, so despite his rather standard Superman appearance, he was actually sort of new.  That’s good, I guess.  The figure stands 5 inches tall and has 6 points of articulation.  The arms are a bit restricted by how the action feature works, but he is otherwise pretty good on the mobility front, at least for a DC figure of this era.  The figure largely re-used parts from Capture Net Superman, the line’s “standard” Superman.  While not entirely show accurate, it was a halfway decent figure, and keeping things consistent is far from the worst thing.  This release got a new set of arms, bent more at the elbows and with the hands flat, for the purposes of lifting stuff overhead.  It’s not the most versatile pose, but it’s good for what it’s meant to do. His paint work is generally pretty decent.  It’s bright, colorful, and pretty cleanly applied.  And he’s even got actual eyes this time!  Superman is packed with a chunk of wall and a car bumper, both of which are meant for use with his throwing action feature.  It’s a little hard to get him stabilized holding them, but they’re still pretty nifty.

LOIS LANE

“As a top-notch reporter for the Metropolis Daily Planet, Lois Lane has a knack for catching the biggest stories and getting in the deepest trouble.  Possessing excellent detective skills and a keen eye for news, she takes risks in pursuit of the scoop.  Lois can handle just about any situation that comes her way and talks rings around most men…but one man leaves her at a loss for words — Superman!”

Lois Lane, despite being one of the oldest and most visible female characters in comics, had up to this point never had an action figure, which seems kind of silly.  She got her first two within a year of each other, so they were learning from their mistakes.  Lois was undoubtedly the selling point of this set, what with not having a figure before and all.  The figure stands about 4 1/2 inches tall and has 4 points of articulation.  Her articulation scheme is rather restricted, with the head being largely immobilized by the hair, and the legs are also without any movement below the waist.  Additionally, she has a lot of trouble remaining standing, not helped by the lack of any movement in the legs, or peg holes in the feet so that you could use a stand.  It’s not a ton of fun.  Lois’s sculpt was all-new and would remain unique to this figure.  It’s alright.  It’s not 100% accurate to the animation model, but it’s about as close as the rest of the line.  The biggest issues are definitely with the eyes, which are just a bit too small to be accurate.  Lois’s paint work is kind of weak.  STAS was notable on that it actually gave its civilians a couple of different outfit options. Lois had two distinct color schemes, but this one is actually neither of them.  It seems to be going for her B outfit, which was red and black, but it’s not quite there.  Additionally, the application is quite dialed down, with only a few apps, which are kind of fuzzy.  It doesn’t do the sculpt any favors, which is a shame.  Lois is packed with her cellphone and a clipboard, which is better than the kind of stuff most of these figures got.

BRAINIAC

“Created by the scientists of the planet Krypton, the humanoid super-computer dubbed Brainiac was more concerned with saving itself as the repository for all Kryptonian knowledge than attempting to save the doomed planet.  Brainiac travelled the universe, draining the worlds he encountered of all knowledge and leaving them ruined husks before he came to Earth where he at last found a foe able to withstand his enhanced strength and mental power — Superman!”

I’ve actually reviewed this exact figure before, back when I looked at him on his own.  He’s honestly not a bad figure, and hadn’t been exceedingly easy to find, so a re-release was honestly okay.  This time, I do have his goofy space sled thing, though, which is pretty cool, right?  How about that?

LEX LUTHOR

“Although born and raised in Metropolis’ downtrodden Suicide Slum, Lex Luthor was destined to become a financial monarch and business magnate.  The aggressive young inventor uses his great cunning and intellect for his own personal advancement, creating the multi-billion dollar megacorporation LexCorp.  Only Superman rivals Luthor for power and respect of the people of Metropolis…for that, Luthor’s hatred of the Man of Steel knows no bounds.”

While Brainiac made some degree of sense, Luthor made almost none.  By this point, his first release was still rotting on the pegs of a lot of major retailers.  While he’s a story important character, this translation of him just didn’t really work, at least not as a Luthor.  I reviewed the Series 1 edition of the figure several years back, and the only difference between the two is some minor paint deco change up.  The gunmetal grey parts of the armor are now a pale metallic green, and the accents on the underlying figure are a truer green than before.  That’s it.    I can’t really say that either is really better than the other.  They both just sort of exist.  Difference for the sake of difference, really, which isn’t terribly compelling.

THE ME HALF OF THE EQUATION

I remember when this set came out, and I remember looking at it a lot, but I never actually got one.  I think it was just too soft a sell for me.  Sure, it’s got Lois, but she’s honestly kind of mediocre.  The other figures are the very definition of space fillers, which is likewise a disappointment.  It’s not bad, but I’m honestly kind of glad I waited until a loose one got traded into All Time to pick it up.

 

#2777: Lex Luthor

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LEX LUTHOR

SUPER POWERS (KENNER)

“Lex Luthor The Sinister Scientist, Possesses Warsuit, a battle outfit designated by an ancient super-scientific alien civilization, and modified with Luthor’s own genius. Luthor is capable of designing incredible weaponry for use against Superman.”

What good are super heroes without some enemies to fight?  Generally, kind of bored, I guess.  Like, it gives them some time to catch up on their chores around the house, and such, I’d imagine.  But most kids aren’t looking to have their Superman figure sweeping up and doing his laundry.  No, they want action!  Let’s give that Superman a rich bald guy to beat up on!  Fortunately, Kenner had our backs, with resident DC rich bald guy, Lex Luthor!

THE FIGURE ITSELF

Lex Luthor was released in the first series of Kenner’s Super Powers line, where he was one of the four villainous characters included in the debut line-up.  Luthor had been rocking the green and purple jumpsuit look for several years up to this point, but he’d just swapped out for the powered armor Warsuit seen here a year prior to the figure’s release.  The figure stands 4 1/2 inches tall and he has 7 points of articulation.  His sculpt is another unique piece, and made for a quite nice recreation of the armor as seen in the comics.  The detail work on the technical elements of the suit is pretty well-rendered, and makes him a slightly more visually interesting figure than he might be were he sporting the old jump-suit.  The upper portion of the armor is actually designed to be removed (though on my figure it’s a little too fragile for me to want to chance actually taking it off), which adds an extra level of depth, as well as an extra look for the figure, should you want a less armored version of Lex.  The paint work on Luthor follows his usual green and purple, although the purple does err a bit more on the side of magenta, perhaps to help him be a bit more distinct from the Joker figure included in the same assortment.  The paint work is, like most of the line, very bold and bright, which is always a plus.  I also quite like the little insignia on the front of his armor.  Lex’s included action feature is his “Power Action Nuclear Punch,” which, like a lot of the features for the line, translates to “when you squeeze his legs, his arms move up and down.”  It’s not quite as good for him as other features in the line, but it’s unobtrusive, so it’s not much of a complaint.

THE ME HALF OF THE EQUATION

After being pretty invested in the line for a few years, I fell out of collecting Super Powers for several years, right around my late teens, going into my college years.  I was brought back to them when I went through a couple rough months early in my college career, and, after a particularly bad night, my dad dug my figures out of the box they’d been in out in the garage, and brought them to me, bringing up that collecting them was something that had made me rather happy.  So, I jumped back into picking them up, and Luthor wound up as my first purchase after my return to collecting them, largely due to him being more on the affordable side.  Ultimately, the figure itself isn’t one of my favorites or anything, but he does hold some significance at least.

#2115: Superman & Lex Luthor

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SUPERMAN & LEX LUTHOR

DC MINIMATES

Sometimes when I’m down, I like to remind myself that I’m not as much of a failure as I could be by looking at other failures.  Is that perhaps a cruel way of making myself feel better?  Yes. So, I guess I shouldn’t do it.  Well, on a completely unrelated note, let’s talk again about DC Minimates, one of the great tragedies of Minimate collectors.  Try and try as they may to get more, they just aren’t going to happen, leaving us to reflect on the short eight series run that we actually got.  Things certainly started off strong, with a first series filled with heavy hitters…which might actually have been part of the line’s problem, since they ran out of those heavy hitters rather quickly.  Whatever the case, it meant that Superman and his arch rival Lex Luthor were among the line’s first offerings.

THE FIGURES THEMSELVES

Superman and Luthor were one of the four two-packs in Series 1 of DC Minimates.

SUPERMAN

Superman had had two ‘mates prior to this one, as part of the legal loophole-inspired C3 line.  While his initial C3 release was a pretty decent classic Superman, it was still animation based, allowing this one to supplant it as a proper comics variant.  The figure was built on the basic ‘mate body, and therefore stands 2 1/4 inches tall and sports 14 points of articulation.  He’s constructed with three add-on pieces, for his hair, cape, and belt.  All three were new to this guy (though the hair was shared with fellow Series 1 release Green Lantern), and would go on to see re-use throughout the line.  Compared to the prior Superman, the parts on this one were mostly an improvement, though I always liked the way the C3 connected at the neck a little bit more.  This one isn’t bad looking, but I have trouble getting behind the red bar running across the neck.  I do like the overall shaping of the actual cape part, though.  His paintwork is appropriately bold, and overall not a bad offering, but the red paint on the pelvis in particular didn’t stand up very well to wear and tear.  Superman included no accessories, since stands hadn’t yet become a thing for the brand.

LEX LUTHOR

Luthor actually hadn’t gotten a ‘mate before (though a C3 prototype was shown), nor would he get one after.  This was his only shot.  The character has had a lot of different looks over the years, but this one went for his at the time current iteration of his battle suit, which was definitely a solid choice.  Said battle suit was built from six add-on pieces, again all-new to this figure.  The sculpting on these parts was superb, and is one of the earliest examples of such elements making their way into the line, as well as a good example of it being done well.  All of the sculpted parts are things that should be bulked up, but they have a lot of small detail work to set them apart.  Aiding the sculpted parts, there’s also quite a bit going on with the paint.  Again, lots of small detail lines, which makes him an interesting counterpoint to the much bolder Superman. Luthor is packed with a chunk of Kryptonite.  At least, I assume it’s his.  Neither figure in the set can actually hold it, but it makes more sense to go with him.

THE ME HALF OF THE EQUATION

These guys, like all of my DC Minimates, were purchased new from Cosmic Comix.  While it was the Green Lantern set that really held my focus going into this line-up, this one’s a strong one.  Superman’s the definitive version of the character, and Luthor is just one of the best ‘mates the line ever produced.  By far one of the strongest sets the line offered up.  This pair set a high bar for the rest of the line.

#1487: Lex Luthor

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LEX LUTHOR

DC ICONS (DC COLLECTIBLES)

Aw, you guys lucked out today.  Not one, but TWO DC Icons reviews!  And there was even one that *wasn’t* reviewed by me.  What a relief!

Last week, my DC Icons review took a slight turn for the villainous with a look at Captain Marvel foe Black Adam.  Today, I’m continuing that trend, looking at the villainous brains to Superman’s heroic brawn, Lex Luthor!

THE FIGURE ITSELF

Lex Luthor was released in the second series of DCC’s DC Icons.  He’s figure 08, which puts him right after Black Adam.  Like Black Adam, Luthor is also based on his design from “Forever Evil.”  “Forever Evil” is a rather Luthor-centric story, which means it’s a good basis from which to draw the character. It’s still not one of my favorites.  Personally, I’d have preferred his Crisis-era battle suit.  With that said, Luthor’s look has always kind of been in flux over the years, so I’m a bit more open to change.  This look is inoffensive.  The figure’s one of the shorter ones, standing just under 6 inches tall.  Fortunately, it makes sense for Luthor to be a little smaller than the majority of the Justice League, so he ends up scaling okay with the line’s later figures.  He’s got 29 points of articulation, distributed in essentially the same way as the rest of the line.  Luthor’s sculpt is completely unique to him.  It’s decent enough.  Like the design it’s based on, I find the sculpt to be a little bit bland, especially the head.  They’ve gone with a more stern take on Luthor, which is perfectly in-character, but not terribly exciting.  I’d have liked an evil grin or something.  They could have at least made it an alternate head.  The suit is at least well-done from a technical standpoint, with lots of clean line-work and a good mechanical look.  The paintwork on this guy is certainly passable, but sort of continues the overall trend of being a little bland.  They’ve opted for flat colors on the suit, rather than something metallic.  It looks fine, but doesn’t possess the pop that I feel it could.  Luthor is packed with several different sets of hands, posed in fists, open gesture, one energy effect for the right hand, and a left hand holding some sort of wand thing that I’m gonna assume is story specific.

THE ME HALF OF THE EQUATION

I found Luthor at the same time as Black Adam.  He too was 50% off, which is pretty much entirely why I bought him.  He’s the sort of figure that’s fine in the grander scope of the line, and an important character, but he’s just sort of…blah.  Not bad in the slightest, but not exceedingly interesting either.  Still, he looks nice with the rest of the set.

#0603: Lex Luthor

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LEX LUTHOR

SUPERMAN: THE ANIMATED SERIES (KENNER)

LuthorSTAS1

Batman: The Animated Series is pretty much universally viewed as one of the best interpretations of Batman and his supporting cast ever. It was revolutionary at the time it was released, and, thanks to top notch writing, animating, and acting, it still holds up pretty great after over 20 years. For me, though, the best entry in the DC Animated Universe is the series that followed B:TAS, Superman: The Animated Series. While B:TAS got a pretty decent run of figures at the time of its release, S:TAS wasn’t quite so fortunate. Kenner produced a line of toys to tie-in, but the character selection was somewhat limited, and many of the characters were rather off-model. One of the characters hit the hardest by off-model-ness was Big Blue’s arch enemy Lex Luthor, who is the focus of today’s entry.

THE FIGURE ITSELF

LuthorSTAS2Lex Luthor was released as part of the first series of Kenner’s Superman: The Animated Series tie-in line. He was one of the two non-Superman characters in this particular series. The figure is a little over 5 inches tall and has 6 points of articulation. Dig that waist articulation guys! It’s more than most DC figures had at this point! Now, this figure is sort of based on Luthor’s animated appearance, but, as I noted in the intro, the figure is more than a little bit off-model. To Kenner’s credit, they managed to produce a near-perfect rendition of the animated Luthor’s noggin. It’s really a very good piece. The trouble lies with literally every other piece of the figure. Rather than release him in his signature suit, Luthor is depicted here in a Kryptonite armor suit, which is completely made up for this figure. The “Kryptonite” parts are all snap-on armor pieces, which can be removed to reveal….some sort of exoskeleton thing. It’s a perfectly fine sculpt on a purely technical level, but it looks pretty wonky and the body doesn’t even have proper Bruce Timm-style proportions. I get that a guy in a suit doesn’t make for the most exciting figure. That said, if they were going to do the clip on armor thing, why not put a more conventional suit under the armor? Just seems like a weird choice. Also, the figure seems to have borrowed Total Justice’s guide to posing; his arms and legs are all bent and turned. It’s most annoying on the legs because it makes getting him to stand next to impossible. As far as paint goes, Luthor is pretty reasonably handled. Nothing super thrilling, but everything is applied pretty cleanly. It’s a nice touch that he veers away from the primary colors, helping set him apart from Superman. In addition to the clip on armor, Luthor includes a big freaking missile launcher thing. Hasbro would be so proud.

THE ME HALF OF THE EQUATION

I never had this figure growing up. I saw him many times over the years, but I just never got one. It’s most certainly due to the weird design of the figure. Why now? Simple, my comicbook store had a table of action figures for $2.99. If you bought five, they were only $2 apiece. So, I bought ten. Luthor was one of them. This actually isn’t a bad figure, just kind of weird.LuthorSTAS3